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Wed May 4, 2016, 6:57 PM

[5/15] Thanks to the watchers who extended my DA membership! It's no longer in danger of running out any time soon.

Bullet; White Bullet; White Bullet; White Bullet; White Bullet; White

Okay, new plan: every time I see fans getting harassed by people who think “ships a ship I don’t like” is the moral equivalent of “molests children”, I’m gonna draw something cute/fluffy/silly/sweet for their ship. Whether or not I ship it. Whether or not I’m even in the fandom.

It’s not gonna change the world, but it’ll make me feel better.

All the art:
Bullet; White Problematic Ships Project folder
Bullet; White problematicshipsproject on Tumblr

True Love's Revolution by ErinPtah  Besuited Sardonyx by ErinPtah  Get out of my dreams...and into my mech by ErinPtah Modern Dance Opal by ErinPtah  That's Some Good Handmaidening by ErinPtah  You Were My Hope by ErinPtah   Watercolors and Chocolate by ErinPtah   Dreambubble Girls by ErinPtah The Pay's Terrible, But You Can Sleep At Night by ErinPtah  SK4T3 YOUR H34RT OUT by ErinPtah  Belly Dance Sugilite by ErinPtah The Princess and the Pilot by ErinPtah Lift of King JJ by ErinPtah Scarf Sharing by ErinPtah   Let your hair down by ErinPtah Romance Level 100 by ErinPtah Learning to Lead by ErinPtah  Learning to Harmonize by ErinPtah  Undertango by ErinPtah  Needs Moar Mortys by ErinPtah  Tiny Rick by ErinPtah  Spangly Squid Shipping by ErinPtah  Just Us Girls by ErinPtah   I should have been brave like you by ErinPtah    Team Infinite by ErinPtah  Fire and Ice by ErinPtah

To-Do List

Attack on Titan

- Levi/Erwin
- Levi/Mikasa
- Levi/Armin
- Armin/Erwin
- Erwin/Mikasa
- Babadook/Pennywise
Big Hero 6
- Hiro/Tadashi
Dangan Ronpa
- Celestia/Ishimaru
- Leon/Sayaka
- Komaeda/Junko
- Touko/Tagami
- Asahina/Hagakure
- Komaeda/Monaka
* Monaka/Nagisa
- Makoto/Komaru
- Mikan/Saionji
DC Comics
  • Bruce Wayne x Dick Grayson: pedophilia, abuse
  • Bruce Wayne x Jason Todd: pedophilia, abuse
  • Bruce Wayne x Tim Drake: pedophilia, abuse
  • Bruce Wayne x Damian Wayne: pedophilia, abuse, incest
  • Bruce Wayne x Barbara Gordon: pedophilia, abuse
  • Bruce Wayne x Stephanie Brown: pedophilia, abuse
  • Bruce Wayne x Cassandra Cain: pedophilia, abuse
  • Bruce Wayne x Duke Thomas: pedophilia, abuse
  • Dick Grayson x Tim Drake: pedophilia
  • Dick Grayson x Damian Wayne: pedophilia, abuse
  • Jason Todd x Damian Wayne: pedophilia, abuse
  • Damian Wayne x Mar'i Grayson: pediphilia, abuse
  • Robinpile: pedophilia, abuse
  • Ra’s al Ghul x Tim Drake: pedophilia, abuse
  • Harleen Quinzel x Joker: abuse
- Bruce Wayne x Dick Grayson
- Bruce Wayne x Jason Todd
- Bruce Wayne x Tim Drake
- Bruce Wayne x Damian Wayne
- Bruce Wayne x Barbara Gordon
- Bruce Wayne x Stephanie Brown
- Bruce Wayne x Cassandra Cain
- Bruce Wayne x Duke Thomas
- Dick Grayson x Jason Todd
- Dick Grayson x Damian Wayne
- Jason Todd x Damian Wayne
- Damian Wayne x Mar'i Grayson
- Robinpile
- Ra’s al Ghul x Tim Drake
- Harleen Quinzel x Joker
- Elsa/Anna
Fullmetal Alchemist
- Roy/Ed
Gravity Falls
- Mabel/Dipper
- Stan/Stan
- Bill/Stan
- Bill/Ford
Harry Potter
- Snape/Hermione
- Snape/Harry
- Snape/Lily
- Sirius/Hermione
- Remus/Hermione
* Bellatrix/Hermione
- Ginny/Voldemort
- All Voldemort ships are now They Who Must Not Be Shipped
- Mcgonagall/Dumbledore
- Remus/Harry
- Sirius/Harry
- Bellatrix/Voldemort
- Graves/Credence
- Grindlewald/Dumbledore
- Dirk/Jake
- Dirk/Dave
- Tavros/Vriska
- Dad/John
- Bro/John
- Gamzee/Terezi
* Vriska/Terezi
- Gamzee/Karkat
* All the dancestor pairings are apparently Incest in spite of them coming from literal different universes
- Gamzee/Equius
- Eridan/Sollux
- Meenah/Karkat
- Cronus/Mituna
- Kankri/Mituna
Kingdom Hearts
- Akuroku (Axel/Roxas)
Les Miserables
- Valjean/Javert
* Cosette/Eponine
- Eponine/Gavroche
Legend of Zelda
- Link/Sidon
- Thor/Loki
- Tony/Loki
- Loki/Jane
- Kilgrave/Jessica
- Peter Parker/all the Avengers

Ouran High School Host Club
- Hikaru/Kaoru
- Reaper/Soldier76
Repo! The Genetic Opera
- Shilo/Graverobber
Seraph of the End
Sherlock (BBC)
- Sherlock/Molly
Star Wars
- Jyn Erso/Krennic [Jynnic]
- Sabine Wren/Ezra Bridger [Sabezra]
- Captain Rex/Ahsoka Tano [Rexsoka]
- Luke/Leia
Steven Universe
- Steven/any Gem
- Peridot/Renaldo
- Apparently no Gems can be shipped with human males because Rose must be the only one who's into that
- Lapis/Steven
Teen Wolf
- Lydia/Stiles
- Tintin/Haddock
Tokyo Ghoul
- Tsukiyama/Kanae
- Kaneki/Ayato
- Torso/Mutsuki
- Sans/Papyrus
- Toriel/Sans
- Mettaton/Sans
- Papyrus/Mettaton
- Papyrus/Undyne
- Papyrus/Chara
- Frisk/Sans
- Papyrus/Frisk
- Frisk/Asriel
Yuri!!! On Ice
- Phichit/Guanghong
- Phichit/Jean Jacques Leroy
- Victor/Yurio
- Yuuri/Yurio

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Luigicat11 Featured By Owner May 29, 2017
To be fair, it makes sense that people dislike Sans x Papyrus.  Incest is kind of frowned upon by most people.
ErinPtah Featured By Owner May 29, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
Disliking a ship is perfectly fair! There are plenty of pairings I avoid. It's when you accuse people of being child abusers because they ship it that you're going too far.
Luigicat11 Featured By Owner May 29, 2017
Da fuck?  I mean, seriously.  Even if it's a ship that involves pedophilia (or anachronism stew in the form of aging characters up/down), what ships you like don't reflect your sexual preferences or actions.

(But what's that got to do with Fontcest, tho?)
ErinPtah Featured By Owner May 29, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
See, the reason you don't get the connection is because -- as evidenced by this comment -- you're a reasonable human being who knows how to use basic logic.

There are sectors of Tumblr where, every time you don't like a ship, you find a way to accuse the shippers of being either abusers or child molesters or both. Logic doesn't enter into it.
Luigicat11 Featured By Owner May 29, 2017
So, basically the Antibrony condition has spread into other hatedoms, as well as some fandoms.  Fan-fucking-tastic.
kribban Featured By Owner May 4, 2017
Nadalind from Grimm. Yeah, she raped him after he kidnapped her baby for his mother to raise, but they worked it all out in the end. 
ErinPtah Featured By Owner May 4, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
Not in the fandom, but I flipped through the ship tag, and it looks like a refreshingly peaceful haven of shippers having fun, and non-shippers not subjecting themselves to the topic.

If there's harassment that I didn't catch, drop me a link and I can put it on the to-do list.
MasterOfRa Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't usually get to communicate or help you out, but I'm glad to assist in your DA membership ^_^

And good for you! I think you have a good ship plan~
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you so much!

If you want the custom art, just send me a note with details <3
MasterOfRa Featured By Owner May 1, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You're welcome!

Wait, a custom art? I wasn't aware of such a thing. What kind of limitations are there?
ErinPtah Featured By Owner May 1, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
It's described in the post! You can get a whole bunch of chibis, or two figures, or one figure and half a bunch of chibis. I might have to turn down NSFW requests, but anything else is probably fair game.
MasterOfRa Featured By Owner May 1, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ooooh, oops! I assumed that was for the previous donator! Well ok, I'll sent a note here shortly then!
Raspykoo Featured By Owner Edited Apr 30, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't really see how people ship characters just because they're fused in Steven Universe. Ruby x Sapphire makes sense as they actually love each other and know each other very well. They know that they are in a very well formed romantic relationship, which is why they're always permafused as Garnet.

But Jasper x Lapis? Jasper and Lapis were extremely toxic to each other. I disagree with that ship. It's complete rape.

Pearl x Garnet?? Amethyst x Garnet?? since Garnet in the show has actually said herself she doesn't like being used as a toy for them. She only fuses into Sardonyx or Sugilite because Pearl or Amethyst wants to. She has no choice.

and also Pearl x Amethyst is something I strongly disagree with, too.

because Steven literally just forced Pearl and Amethyst to fuse into Opal that one episode. They had no choice. They just did it for Steven. Not because they love each other. Pearl and Amethyst are two opposite personalities and shouldn't be shipped.

I think you probably prefer ships where the two characters actually have a choice in the ship??
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
People don't ship characters "just because they're fused." After all, people ship characters that have never fused (like Lapis/Peridot and Peridot/Amethyst). It's about whether you like the character dynamics.

Jasper and Lapis are a great demonstration of that because we KNOW they have a toxic relationship. You understand that some people like horror movies, right? Some people like murder mysteries? Well, some people also like stories about toxic relationships! Liking a story doesn't mean you have to think it would be healthy and wonderful in real life.

Garnet and Pearl had some conflict when Pearl tricked Garnet into fusing. Eventually they worked it out, and got closer. We've seen them fuse by choice in later episodes, even fusing just for fun in Know Your Fusion. Garnet and Amethyst never had that kind of conflict in the first place. Even if you don't ship these characters, it's silly to claim they don't have strong friendships.

Haven't you ever heard the saying "opposites attract"? Pearl and Amethyst had a lot of disagreements and fights when the series began, but they've had a lot of development, and lots of episodes where they learn to appreciate their different styles and work together. They used to have trouble coordinating their dance styles when making Opal, but now they sync up perfectly because they're each willing to dance like the other. Even if you don't ship them, it's silly to pretend they haven't developed an understanding and caring relationship.

And, again, characters don't have to be close in canon to be shipped. You can ship two characters who never meet. Or two characters who aren't even from the same series! As long as you think "okay, these two characters aren't in love in canon, but I like the idea of them being together, and I want to read a story about it" -- you can ship it.

And fictional characters never "have a choice" in ships. That's part of what "fictional" means. No matter what you write, they characters are doing what the WRITER chooses.
Raspykoo Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I have never bullied somebody online for liking one of these ships..
but I do find some very disagreeable

I'm not saying that's the only reason people ship SU characters... I think you interpreted my message wrong. I just don't like how SOME people ship characters because they've fused before, like Pearl/Garnet. To me, it's not how I like the dynamics. It's how they develop... and it can't be a friendship- to me, it has to be a romantic or sexual relationship like Ruby x Sapphire or Rose x Greg.

I know that some people like toxic relationships such as Lapis x Jasper, but to me it's wrong. The two characters clearly aren't happy with each other and use each other for their own needs. Lapis gets abused a lot in turn of Jasper getting abused by her. To me, it's not right to like shipping two characters that suffer when put together in a fusion like Malachite.

Pearl and Garnet do have strong friendships, but not an ACTUAL relationship! I've seen all of the episodes where they fuse to
form Sardonyx. Garnet and Amethyst didn't have any conflict, but they definitely aren't in love with each other. So no.

I know that Pearl and Amethyst have had a good relationship. But I still don't ship it, because they never show any romantic signs of love. None.

You misinterpreted this part of my message too. I'm not saying that they're "commanded by the writers to do whatever" it's just that these characters are somehow forced by the other character to do what they want. Not by the writer, but by the two characters in the show.
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
To say "this is not how I like the dynamics" is fine! You're allowed to have your own opinions and preferences. The problem is when you say "if I, personally, don't like a dynamic, then it shouldn't be shipped. My preferences are right, and everyone else's are wrong."

If I told you I liked murder mysteries, would you leave a paragraph-long comment explaining to me how murder is a bad thing that makes people unhappy?

I know that these characters aren't in romantic relationships in the show. How is that relevant? People are allowed to ship pairings that aren't canon! The whole point of fanfiction is to do things that didn't happen in canon.

If I write a fanfic where Pearl and Amethyst fall in love and decide to be together, then within the world of that fanfic, neither of them was "forced." They had a choice, and they chose each other.
Raspykoo Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not stating that! I'm not stating that only my preferences are right! You're analyzing this way too far.
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
"Pearl and Amethyst are two opposite personalities and shouldn't be shipped."

"it's not right to like shipping two characters that suffer when put together"

That's not my analysis, those are your exact words. If you don't actually mean them, maybe don't say them.
Raspykoo Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
in my opinion I view those things my way.
i'm not saying that my word is law.
i'm stating my opinion. I'm not saying everybody should follow it.
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
When you use a phrase like "this shouldn't be shipped" you are literally saying what everybody should follow.
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smolgrapes Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2017  Student General Artist
Why is Hikaru/Kaoru a problem?


neonyanderehotdogzz Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017  Student Writer
The fact that the list is so long is just depressing.
FelisLupus Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
How is Mabel x Pacifica incest again?
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
I don't think anyone called that one incest. Just...abusive or fetishistic or pedophilic or some other horrible thing.
Kaori-Chan93 Featured By Owner Edited Feb 8, 2017  Hobbyist Filmographer
Amazing iniciative!!! :heart:, honestly all this fuss over ships in tumblr has left me quite weary and even anxious at times, with all this witch hunts and that now suddenly a ship with age gap makes you a predator *sighs*, I'm glad you're contributing with positivity, is very needed <3

That being said, I don't know if you're taking more request for the project, but since is Femslash February, can you draw a Homura/Madoka? :)
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
It's pretty disheartening, all right.

Have HomuMado shippers been called abusers or predators? I know there are people who don't like the ship itself, but ship hate is as old as fandom. This project is focusing on the specific Tumblr kind of personal attack on shippers.
Kaori-Chan93 Featured By Owner Edited Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Filmographer
Well, after the release of Rebellion MadoHomu has received lots of flack in the tumblr community (sadly with good reason), but there had been some instances, mostly on the confessions blogs, where I felt they call out the shippers as well, mostly on response to Homura whitewashers. It's not as prevalent as in other fandoms, and it's true, HomuMado shippers aren't witch hunted, but there had been instances in which they had been called out, and I do remember once someone called them "abuse apologists". Still, if you feel it doesn't fits the requirements of your project, then don't worry! ^^
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
Nah, that fits! And even though it's for a depressing reason, I'm looking forward to drawing them.
Ink-Dash Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
You're doing god's work Thumbs Up 
kiddswithproblems Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2016
wh?? why is cossette/eponine a bad ship? (from les mis, sorry, it's one of my favourite ships ;o; )
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
You know, in this case, the person I saw hating on it didn't even bother to explain what their problem was....

So it's probably a simple case of "I don't ship it, therefore nobody else should."
kiddswithproblems Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2016
yikes wow
i mean, they're both around the same age, same era ;_;
that's Ticked Me Off now, dang !!
Prominaj Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Alright! You go girl! It's so refreshing to see someone taking ships lightly and not taking it on a moral level. Applause to your maturity! yay me 
KareKareDragon Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm totally down into seeing this happen. Another one I've seen cause some. . .erm. . .debate. . .is pairing Pacifica with Dipper, and Pacifica with Mabel, from Gravity Falls.
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Ah yes, I've seen those. Adding to the list, thanks!
EverymanGirl Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Such a wonderful idea! This is a great way of combating anger and hatred on Tumblr. And as the images grow, it's doing a great job showing that every ship is problematic depending on the perspective. I see you are supportive of other artists joining you have a tag or anything for tumblr?
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2016  Professional Digital Artist

I've been crossposting everything to the problematicshipsproject blog. If you give it a mention in your art post, I'll give you a reblog =)
EverymanGirl Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Awesome sauce! :D
I'm hella down for this.

Your Sheith pics are adorable, and I'm personally excited to see the Hirogo and Pidgance :'D
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
I will bump those to the top of my to-do list! Pidgance seriously the smushname people use? Yikes.
*is actually the one who came up with the ship name* cough...yeah (Honestly these characters' names are so hard to smush together and get something good. XD)
DeviantGirl2014 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is such an awesome idea! I love it!
ErinPtah Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks =)
ozma914 Featured By Owner May 14, 2016
I don't think it'll chill out the haters, but it would still be fun.
ErinPtah Featured By Owner May 14, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
It's been fun so far! Gives me a reason to branch out and draw new things, characters and combinations I hadn't thought about before.
cityofmind Featured By Owner May 6, 2016
takumikoma Featured By Owner May 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
this is so great omg
InsanePurin Featured By Owner May 5, 2016  Student Writer
I've been proposing to do something like this for a while, which I called along the lines of "Piss Off Tumblr Month." In which I draw something fluffy/sexy and list the reason why anti-shippers attack me for said ship (which ranges from "pedophiliac" and "promotes abuse" to "Alice x Bob shippers feel Alice is entitled to Bob and insist that it's canon, how disgusting" and "heteronormative." There truly is no such thing as a safe non-problematic ship on tumblr. Anyway, I like this challenge. :D
ErinPtah Featured By Owner May 5, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
I like to think of it as supporting shippers rather than annoying haters. If anything, you want the haters to get more chill.

But yeah, it would be great if more artists joined in! And by all means, defend yourself, especially against some of what passes for "logic" on Tumblr. (Latest thing I saw was "if you like the idea of characters who are minors getting together as adults, that's pedophilic." So much for human biology 101.)
InsanePurin Featured By Owner Edited May 5, 2016  Student Writer
Your approach is more peaceful, haha. XD I know trolling will just make them mad, so it's more of a fantasy... it's hard to keep a cool head in an insane situation like this. :/

See also: "If you support children growing up and getting together when they're older, it doesn't change the fact that the characters were originally minors. Shipping older versions of the characters is still pedophilia, and it's not your 'Get-Out-of-Jail-Free' card to project your sick fantasies." O HAI TUMBLR'S UNDERTALE FANDOM
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